Friday, April 3, 2026

Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LIV)




In this chapter we will continue to review Potter's 1895 treatise titled "A Treatise on Regeneration and Christian Warfare." In that work Potter wrote the following in chapter seven under the title "The Renewed Soul Clear of Sin":

"Some who believe in a distinction of soul and body, and that the soul of the saint goes immediately into conscious joy at the death of the body, have claimed that, in the work of the new birth, the soul is not made entirely clear of sin, as the body will be in the resurrection; but that when the soul leaves the body, it will be pure and sinless. It is argued that the soul comprises the whole mind of man, and that the body could neither do good nor evil, only as it did so at the instance of the soul; that the body was the instrument of the soul, in doing good and evil both."

"I have always thought that, in the christian warfare, the soul was always on the side of holiness, and that it always did oppose evil. The apostle Peter exhorts his brethren to "Abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul." I Peter 2: 11. In this text we have a war, and the soul seems to be one of the parties in the conflict, and the fleshly lusts seem to be the opposite party in the war. The soul is not divided, but it seems to be all on one side. Another text says, "For the flesh lusteth against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other; so that ye can not do the things that ye would." Galatians 5: 17. The lusts of the flesh in this text must be precisely the same thing that Peter mentions which war against the soul. I simply understand that against which it is at war, in both cases, to be precisely the same thing. Paul says, "The flesh lusteth against the spirit," and Peter warns his brethren against fleshly lusts which war against the soul. Paul, again, says, "So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7: 25. He does not seem to serve the law of God, and the law of sin, both with the same mind. He serves one with the mind and the other with the flesh."

Both Potter and the Two Seeders, and even those today who call themselves "Primitive Baptists" and decry Two Seedism, are confused on the nature and constitution of man and on what occurs when a man is initially saved, born again, regenerated and renewed. We need not state the errors of the Two Seeders on this area of doctrine for in previous chapters we have delineated those errors. However, Potter himself expresses an error himself on what happens when a person is born of the Spirit. He thinks that when a person is regenerated that his soul or spirit is "made entirely clear of sin." However, that is not scriptural. He says that the soul or spirit is no longer able to sin; And, since he seems to believe that "soul" and "spirit" are the same (the dichotomy view), he affirms that a regenerated man is unable to sin in his soul or spirit. So, what about the mind and the heart? How do they relate to the soul and spirit? Are they likewise "made entirely clear of sin"

The bible does not teach that the heart, mind, soul, or spirit is so completely and instantly transformed, or made holy, when a man is regenerated or born of the Spirit, that he cannot in his constitutional parts ever sin. Rather, the bible teaches that the new birth is the beginning of regeneration, renewal, transformation, sanctification, etc. Let us notice some scripture that shows this to be so and thus show that Potter's thesis is all wrong. 

"Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." (II Cor. 7: 1 nkjv)

If the "spirits" of the Corinthian believers were "made entirely clear of sin" so that they could never sin nor become morally filthy, then the above text is out of place. It rather shows that the cleansing of the spirit or soul is continuous in the life of the believer. So the apostle John wrote: "And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." (I John 3: 3 nkjv) This purification is continuous. We see this truth also confirmed in these words of the apostle John: 

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us." (I John 1: 8-10 nkjv)

If what Potter says is right, there is no need for continuous cleansing of the soul and spirit after being initially regenerated because he says that it cannot sin; And, if the unregenerate part of man is incapable of doing right, or being changed for the better, then all admonitions to sin not are meaningless. James also wrote: "Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?" (James 4: 5 kjv) I don't think that James is speaking to those who are unregenerate, for he says "us," meaning the believers to whom he is writing as well as himself. So much for the "spirit" being unable to sin. The truth is, even God's people get into a bad spirit.

"And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” (Luke 9: 54-56 nkjv)

Oftentimes the soul or spirit of believers is often divided, contrary to what Potter says. Now let us notice the same truth stated in regard to the "soul." 

"Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart." (I Peter 1: 22 nkjv)

This purification of the souls of believers is progressive, and therefore shows that when a believer is first regenerated that his soul is not so made clean and holy that it no longer can sin. It is commanded of all that they love God with all their "souls" (Luke 10: 27) and what believer will say that he does this perfectly? To believers James also wrote:

"Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1: 21 nkjv)

Again, this is said to those who are already believers and thus shows that the souls of believers continually need to be saved.

What is true of the believer's soul and spirit is also true of his heart and mind. Surely Potter would not deny that the heart and mind also experienced regeneration and transformation. In fact, one of the leading texts that is generally believed to speak of regeneration says that the Lord will "take away the heart of stone" and give "a heart of flesh," to give a "new spirit," and to "write his laws in their minds." (Eze. 11: 19; 36: 26; Jer. 31: 33; Heb. 10: 16) This giving of a new heart, spirit, and mind does not mean that sin is no longer possible, nor does it mean that the creating of such is instantaneous and complete all at once. Just as we have seen where the soul or spirit of believers may still sin and need fresh cleansing, so too many scriptures say the same thing of the believer's heart and mind.

I think John Calvin was correct when he viewed "regeneration" as progressive and continuous rather than instantaneous and complete all at once. This is certainly true regarding being "renewed." Let us look at the passage that speaks of both regeneration and renewing. 

"But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3: 4-7 nkjv)

Some might argue that Paul speaks of salvation, washing, regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit as a completed work in the above text, occurring when a sinner was converted to Christ. However, that argument is not valid. First, because other scriptures show that salvation is continuous, affirming that the believer has been saved, is continuously being saved, and will yet be saved. (See I Cor. 1: 18) Likewise, scripture shows that cleansing from sin is continuous, as we have already seen. Likewise, scripture shows that "renewal" is continuous. Notice these texts:

"Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day." (II Cor. 4: 16 nkjv)

"that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness." (Eph. 4: 22-24 nkjv)

"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." (Rom. 12: 2 nkjv)

"and have put on the new man, that is being renewed unto knowledge after the image of him that created him." (Col. 3: 10 nasb)

So, if three of the four terms in Titus 3: 5 are continuous and progressive throughout the life of a believer, and not a one time instantaneous act, then why not the regeneration? In the above passage in Romans 12:2 we see where the "renewing" of the "mind" is connected with being "transformed." Is not transformation into the perfect image and likeness of God also continuous and progressive as is renewal, the washing of sanctification, and salvation? The following texts show it to be continuous:

"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." (II Cor. 3: 18 nkjv)

"being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." (Phil. 1: 6 niv)

The view of Potter is not much different from the view of the Two Seeders. Both would interpret the following text in the same way:

"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." (I John 3: 9 nkjv)

Many "Primitive Baptists" say that John means "whatever part of a man is born again or regenerated cannot sin, not even once." The idea behind this interpretation is to say that the new nature, or divine nature, partaken of in regeneration, cannot sin, and that the old nature cannot do what is right, neither being able to be changed in the least. In the closing chapters of this lengthy series I hope to give some of my insights on this important question. I will show that the more correct biblical teaching is that the Christian’s total self is progressively being renewed and restored throughout the sanctifying process. We must also keep in mind that in regeneration the believer is changed, but it is not a change of substance, as many Hardshells teach. Instead, it is a change in direction, a change in disposition.

The question as to what occurs when one is born again or regenerated is not an easy one. One view says that in the new birth a new nature or principle is implanted in the soul or spirit so that there are then two natures, one begotten of God and one born of the flesh. It is argued that the new nature cannot sin nor produce sin and that all sin is produced by the old nature. However, it is more likely that the same nature that was corrupted by sin is what is now being changed by a participation of the divine nature, by the presence of Christ, and the presence of eternal or spiritual life. This is what, biblically speaking, is meant by being "regenerated" or "renewed." It involves restoring what was destroyed. Further, what is it that is being sanctified progressively in the life of the believer? If the new nature is already as holy as it can be, then why the need for further sanctification? If the old nature cannot be changed, then exhortations for further sanctification cannot be given in reference to it. 

In the above passage it is doubtful that the apostle John intends to say that a certain part of a believer cannot sin, for the context is showing how it is inconsistent for a person who has been born of God and has a faith that is born of God to live in sin as he did before he was born again, i.e. he cannot habitually sin without restraint as he did before he was saved. Further, if John intended to say that the new nature or divine seed cannot sin he would have said "for it (the seed) cannot sin" rather than "whosoever" is born again "cannot sin." 

Something coming from outside a person in order to enter and indwell him, as the Two Seeders taught, cannot be what the bible calls regeneration or renewal. What is made new is the very thing that was made old, what is made alive is the same thing that died, what is regenerated is the very thing that became degenerate. Therefore, the giving of a new heart, a new mind or way of thinking, or a new spirit, is to drastically change the old heart, the old way of thinking, and the old spirit. The "new creature" or "new creation" is made from the old creation. In the coming regeneration of the heavens and earth we do not see an annihilation of the old or first heavens and earth, but such a renovation that makes them new once again. Likewise, in the resurrection of the physical body it is the same old body that is made into a new body. 

Regeneration and renewal, therefore, is not a change in the "essence" or substance of the soul or spirit, as taught by Hardshell Elder R.V. Sarrels in his book "Systematic Theology." You can see various citations from this work in several past articles of mine where he states this. (See here in particular) The qualities that make a soul a soul are still the same after regeneration as they were before, and the same spirit that is renewed is the same spirit that needed renewal. There are no new faculties given to the soul, mind, heart, or spirit in being born again. They are given a new direction and a new focus. This is what great theologians of the past have emphasized, such as Jonathan Edwards.

The fact that "renewal" is continuous and not a one time instantaneous experience shows that this is so. Does the divine nature that a believer partakes of need daily renewal? We would ask the Two Seeder whether the "inner man" (who is that eternal spiritual child of God who has come down from heaven) needs daily renewal? Does the new heart, mind, and spirit that God produces in being initially saved need continual renewal? There is a difference between physical or constitutional inability to do what is right and moral or spiritual inability. Many Calvinist writers have stressed this distinction. In this post (here) I cited from Jonathan Edwards and A.W. Pink on this question. First, I cited Pink who wrote:

"Second, fallen man’s inability is moral, not physical or constitutionalUnless this is clearly perceived we shall be inclined to turn our impotence into an excuse or ground of self-extenuation. Man will be ready to say, "Even though I possess the requisite faculties for the discharge of my duty, if I am powerless I cannot be blamed for not doing it." A person who is paralyzed possesses all the members of his body, but he lacks the physical power to use them; and no one condemns him for his helplessness. It needs to be made plain that when the sinner is said to be morally and spiritually "without strength," his case is entirely different from that of one who is paralyzed physically. The normal or ordinary natural man is not without either mental or physical strength to use his talents. What he lacks is a good heart, a disposition to love and serve God, a desire to please Him; and for that lack he is justly blamable."

And,

"For the sake of those who desire additional insight on the relation of man’s inability to his responsibility, we feel we must further consider this difficult but important (perhaps to some, abstruse and dry) aspect of our subject. Light on it has come to us "here a little, there a little"; but it is our duty to share with others the measure of understanding vouchsafed us. We have sought to show that the problem we are wrestling with appears much less formidable when once the precise nature of man’s impotence is properly definedIt is due neither to the absence of requisite faculties for the performance of duty nor to any force from without which compels him to act contrary to his nature and inclinations. Instead, his bondage to sin is voluntary; he freely chooses the evil. Second, it is a moral inability, and not physical or constitutional."  ("The Doctrine of Man’s Impotence," Chapter 9-Affirmation, see here)

Jonathan Edwards, in his book "Freedom of the Will," SECTION IV., under the heading "Command and Obligation to Obedience, consistent with moral Inability to obey," wrote:

"What has been said of natural and moral Necessity, may serve to explain what is intended by natural and moral InabilityWe are said to be naturally unable to do a thing, when we cannot do it if we will, because what is most commonly called nature does not allow of it, or because of some impeding defect or obstacle that is extrinsic to the will, either in the faculty of understanding, constitution of body, or external objectsMoral Inability consists not in any of these things..."

Further, as stated, new birth or regeneration does not make the soul or spirit perfect in holiness, but it does place within it that which begins to transform it, like leaven being put into dough begins a process that continues until the whole is leavened. 

Potter wrote:

"If, as some have thought, the body can not do good or evil, only as prompted to do so by the soul, or as Paul says, the mind, by which he serves the law of God, then it seems to me that he might have said, "I with the mind serve the law of sin, and I with the same mind serve the law of God." I can not yet accept the idea that he meant that."

Potter is mistaken here in assuming that a renewed mind cannot ever produce a sinful thought or a sinful purpose. Potter would seem to teach that a regenerated man has "two minds," one that minds truth and righteousness and one that minds falsehood and unrighteousness. Potter seems to be saying that the mind of the believer either cannot sin or else has two minds. But, I take "mind" to denote one of man's faculties, which faculty is capable of serving the law of God or not. It may also denote one's thoughts and opinions, as when one says "you know my mind on that," meaning you know my thoughts and beliefs. So, it is more in line with scripture to see the Christian as having one mind, or one faculty for thinking, just like every unsaved man, and to see that the same mind sometimes produces holy and godly thoughts but at other times unholy and sinful thoughts and resolutions. 

The mind of the believer, like his spirit, soul, and heart was set in the right direction in conversion, but not perfectly or immutably so, for like in the other constituent parts of his non-corporeal being, the change of the mind is only begun then. That is why the believer is frequently exhorted by the new testament writers to work on perfecting their minds, to transform their thoughts, so that they more and more "have the mind of Christ" (I Cor. 2: 16). 

In being born again there is begotten in a believer a change of mind or belief, and such a change that brings about a change of direction and behavior. This is why John Calvin rightly saw regeneration as denoting basically the same thing as repentance. Though the mind is changed in conversion, yet that change is not completed all at once, but is begun and is drastic at the start. Nor is the change of mind a change in the mental faculty or the substance or essence of the mind. It is a moral or spiritual change that begins when a sinner is given revelation of theological or gospel truth, when his eyes are opened so that he sees things that make him a believer and makes him change his way of thinking, his values, his purpose for living, etc. A drastic change of belief or the experience of falling in love with a person or a beautiful object may be so dramatic and life changing as to be called "epiphanies." In "Epiphanies, Revelations and Transformations" Psychologist Dr. Saul Levine at Psychology Today says (emphasis mine): 

"Some people make major transformations after believing new truths about life." (See here) He says that "an “epiphany,” is "a dramatically new insight into the meaning of his life," and that "this usually occurs after an intense emotional experience in which a person has a revelation which brings totally new attitudes and perceptions." 

This is certainly true in the story of the prodigal son.

"But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything. “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.” (Luke 15: 15-19 nkjv)

The words "but when he came to himself" are packed full of meaning and significance and relates to what I have been saying. This was an epiphany that resulted from a Eureka moment, from the moment when the prodigal son saw how unreasonable and foolish he had been in the decisions he had made. It was also the time when he "wised up" and came to realize his need for repentance and to now make the right decision. This epiphany is the cause of his change of mind and conduct, what made him a new man. This epiphany did not change the essence of his mind, heart, soul, or spirit, but changed its beliefs, and changes in belief can have profound effects on the psychology of a person. When the prodigal chose to take his inheritance and to live immorally he thought he was making a good decision, acting upon a false belief. When he came to himself and saw his error and changed his belief he then became a new man. Some translations say "but when it dawned on him." 

We have other instances in scripture where we see that a change of mind resulted from an epiphany, from having one's eyes opened, from receiving a life changing revelation, and that this change of mind was not a physical change in the mental faculty but in what we might call his "mindset." It involves reorienting the mind so that it is directed towards God and righteousness and embraces nobler values. 

We have many other examples in scripture that, like the story of the prodigal son, show where changing a person's beliefs and perspective can bring about drastic changes in the person's soul or in his psychology. We must realize too that epiphanies can also occur that have negative effects, where an event or change of beliefs makes a person a deeper dyed villain. For instance, what an epiphany occurred when Eve believed what the Serpent told her! So we read:

"Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings." (Gen. 3: 7 nkjv)

On a positive note, we think of the conversion experience of Saul the persecutor. He was like a raving maniac in his hatred of Christ and Christians and their good news message. But, when Christ appeared to him in his glory, immediately Paul's former beliefs were smashed and he was made to believe in Christ, and this new belief had far-reaching effects, making him a new man. Further, this change in the mind of Paul was not a change in the essence of his mind, but was a change in what the mind believed.

Certainly it took an eye opening revelation and change in belief for the pagans to whom Paul preached to have "turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God" (I Thess. 1: 9 nkjv).

I also think of the Jews on the day of Pentecost in Acts chapter two and of their epiphanic experience when they realized that the one they had crucified was indeed the Messiah and Son of God. So we read:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (36-38 nkjv)

The words "they were cut to the heart" denotes the same kind of epiphany that was experienced by the prodigal son. It all resulted from believing the things that Peter had said in his discourse. At that point they were no longer the same people, for they then repented and became Christians. We see a similar epiphany by one of the Roman soldiers who took part in the crucifixion of Christ, who, upon seeing the eclipse and the earthquake occurring in conjunction with the death of Christ, said "truly this man was the Son of God." (Matt. 27: 54; etc.) 

I have labored this point because it is important for understanding where the Two Seeders and even Potter himself went astray in their beliefs about the change that occurs when a person is converted to Christ. 

Potter wrote

"It seems to be sin that dwells in Paul, and not Paul himself that sins. It is sin that dwells in him that does the work, and this sin is in the body, and not in the soul. "If ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live." It does not say if you through the spirit mortify the deeds of the soul, or spirit, you shall live. Again the apostle says, "If Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness." The spirit in this text must be the spirit of man, for it is set over against the body. The body is dead, and the spirit is alive. Sin is in the body, but if there is any sin in the renewed soul, I do not remember the text, at this time, that says so."

Here again we see where Potter repeats his premise and which is one which the scriptures do not teach. He again says that there is no sin "in the renewed soul." There is no doubt that Paul says that all sin in the life of a believer may be traced to an internal cause and that all righteous acts are likewise traced to an internal cause. But, saying this is a far cry from saying that the heart, soul, mind, or spirit of a believer is incapable of sinning. 

When James said "out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing" and "these things ought not so to be" (James 3: 10) he shows that he does not reason as did Potter and some other bible teachers. Just as the same mouth may produce blessing and cursing so too may the same heart, soul, mind, and spirit of a believer give birth to sin or to righteousness. A believer does not have two hearts, two minds, two souls, two spirits, etc. He has within his singular heart, mind, soul, or spirit that which is good, but he also has in those entities that which is bad. This is why Paul urged believers to "take heed lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God." (Heb. 3: 12) 

In chapter eight titled "Is Man Changed in the New Birth?" Potter wrote:

"We have seen hints from some that man is born of God in time, but not changed until the resurrection. This idea, to me, seems to contradict everything that is said on the subject in the Scriptures, as well as in the experience of the saints. The apostle says, "Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." II Corinthians 5: 17. No one has ever explained to me how a man becomes a new creature, and yet undergoes no change. Those who deny any change in the new birth, must necessarily deny that man becomes a new creature by being born of God, it seems to me." 

It is ironic, however, that Potter's view, and the view that many "Primitive Baptists" began to embrace at the end of the 19th century, also sees very little change in those who are born again or regenerated. In Hardshell Baptist Tom Hagler's work titled "Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth" (2006) we have this view clearly affirmed. Hagler wrote (as cited by me in this post here):

"God has many children who are not Christians since they do not publicly acknowledge ChristThey may have heard the gospel, but have rejected it. The ones that rejected the gospel may have chosen to follow other religious orders, as with the Jews or other eastern religions. In this case, these children of God are regenerate, but they have not been converted to a knowledge of the truthThey are not Christians, but they are still God’s childrenSome may have even been Christians at one time, but have backslidden and fallen away from the truth to other religions or to no religion." (pg. 154)

In other postings I cite from the "Systematic Theology" of Elder R.V. Sarrels who wrote (as cited by me in this post here):

"The disappointing end to which this view directs us is clearly shown by the following statement by Dr. Shedd.  "In this regeneration, we are restored by the grace of Christ to the righteousness of God from which we fell in Adam" (Dogmatic Theology, II, 492)  This makes regeneration to be a restoration to a former state, instead of a resurrection to a new and higher state.  According to this view, as Dr. Strong states it, regeneration "is not a change in the substance of either body or soul" (Systematic Theology, 823).  Certainly this whole concept is in direct conflict with such Scriptures as Titus 3: 5; Phil. 3: 21; Rom. 8: 29."  (pg. 339)

"Regeneration is the regenesis of the soul substance (pg. 340).

The view of Sarrels says that in regeneration there is no change of beliefs, no change of behavior, but only a change in the "substance" of the soul. So he said further:

“Regeneration is a work of God in the human soul that is below consciousness. There is no internal sensation caused by it. . .God as Savior, though dimly perceived by the regenerated Pygmy, is as objectively real to him as this same God as Savior is to the most enlightened Christian." (page 349)

So, today's Hardshell view is that regeneration does not change a person's beliefs about God and does not convert him from paganism. 

Potter wrote:

"The no change doctrine is not new among some who once stood with usThey believed that in regeneration, something was simply implanted in the man, that did not change the man. If the sinner is not changed he is not born again."

This description of Two Seed views on regeneration is almost identical to what today's "Primitive Baptists" believe, as the citations above from Hagler and Sarrels show. So, though they think that they have cast off Two Seedism, yet we still see remnants of it in their theology. In the next chapter we will continue to review the works of Potter against Two Seedism.

 

Monday, March 30, 2026

Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LIII)




In this chapter we will put on record what else Elder Lemuel Potter wrote in connection with Two Seedism, which had caused so much trouble in the ranks of the "Primitive," "Old School," or "Hardshell" Baptists. Primitive Baptists, with few exceptions, claim that they have thrown away the heresies of Two Seedism and yet they still retain remnants of Two Seedism. Historian and Professor John G. Crowley, author of "Primitive Baptists of the Wiregrass South" (1999), himself a "Primitive Baptist" of a Georgian faction that still believes that the word of God is a means in saving sinners, said that one may still find remnants of Two-Seed doctrines expounded by today's Primitive Baptists "if one knows where to go and what to listen for." (page 133) If you have followed me through this series on Two Seedism, its beliefs and history, you too will see the remnants of Two Seedism if you listen to their sermons.

In this chapter we will look at some other things Potter said in some scraps of his writings that should be included before I close this part of our series dealing with what Potter wrote about Two Seedism.

We will return to Potter's 1895 treatise titled "A Treatise on Regeneration and Christian Warfare" which you can read at the web site of the Primitive Baptist Library (here). We have already cited much about Potter's views on "regeneration" in the other two writings we have cited from, from "Life and Travels of Lemuel Potter," and from his1880 pamphlet "Unconditional Election Stated And Defined; Or, A Denial Of The Doctrine Of Eternal Children, Or Two Seeds In The Flesh."

In chapter four under "No Souler" Potter wrote in his treatise on regeneration (highlighting mine):

"He challenged for the proof that any of his brethren believed anything of the sort. And yet when a text is given him with the word soul in it, to give a distinction of soul and body, he will squirm under it and say "Soul in that text means life." Give him another, and he will say, "Soul in that text means simply the man." Then give him the case of the rich man and Lazarus, and he will ask if you believe that circumstance just as it reads. Then ask him if he believes that the body of Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom, and he will say, "I believe that Lazarus went there; the book says it was Lazarus, not his soul, or a part of him." In speaking of the rich man he makes about the same turn, and yet he says he believes men have souls, and thinks hard of being called a No Souler. Ask him what he thinks of the idea of a man out of the body, and he will try to make it appear that he was simply not out of the body, but in such a strain of mind, or so transported, that for the time being, he had forgotten himself. Everything he says goes in the direction of denying that man possesses a soul, distinct from the body, and that it helps to make up the man, yet he thinks hard of being called a No Souler."

Potter speaks of the Two Seeder who, when under scrutiny and being challenged with reasoned questions, would predictably "squirm under it and say..." Recall that Elder Watson spoke of how Two Seeders were serpentine, slippery, and hard to nail down, acting like weasels. That seems to be what Potter was also saying. It also reminds us of what Elder Grigg Thompson wrote about the serpentine ways of many of the Two Seeders.

Next he mentions the teaching regarding "the rich man and Lazarus" and gives it as his belief that it taught what happens to people when they die and go to Hades or the place of the dead. In chapter forty six of this series I gave some citations from some leading Hardshells about what they believe about the story of the rich man and Lazarus, showing that the older leaders who debated the Universalists, like Potter, all taught the common orthodox opinion that it is talking about where saved and lost people go when they die. I showed, however, that it was common for the Two Seeders to deny the orthodox teaching and give it a parabolic non-literal interpretation which denies that it is teaching what happens when the body dies. I showed how many in my lifetime wanted to declare non-fellowship for you if you didn't take the Two Seed view. I told of how it was asked in two ordination services in the Bear Creek Association (NC) when I was a young elder in that association. I was asked my views on it in my ordination and I gave the orthodox view and was surprised that I was still ordained.

It was a common practice, as Watson testified, for the Two Seeders to "allegorize" literal events in the bible, give a figurative or symbolic interpretation to literal things like the resurrection of the physically dead. On the other hand, they would take some things hyper literally, such as the term "seed" or "children of the Devil." There is simply something terribly wrong with how the Two Seeders handled scripture, the kind of bible interpreters Paul spoke of who "handled the word of God deceitfully." (II Cor. 4: 2) It is what Peter called "twisting" or "distorting," like a contortionist, or wrestler, the holy scriptures, interpreting them according to their own whims. (II Peter 3: 16)

Many Two Seeders did deny that the Devil's people had souls, much like many Southerners thought about the black people they enslaved, and believing this made them feel little guilt for treating them as animals without human souls. However, many Two Seeders chose not to say "there is no soul" but simply fought all attempts to define it as given by others. 

In chapter six titled "The Soul Born Again" Potter wrote:

"This verse certainly does teach that our Savior recognized the idea that the soul lived separate from the body. We see two points in this text; one is that there is a distinction of soul and body; and the other is that the soul lives after the body dies. I know of nothing else mentioned in the Scriptures pertaining to man that survives the body, except the soul, or spirit, and when I read of a person going into heaven at the death of the body, even if it should be called by the name of the person, as in the case of Lazarus, I understand it to be the soul; or if he goes to hell, as in the case of the rich man, for I know of nothing that dies as they did only the body, and I know of nothing that lives after the body dies, except the soul, or spirit. I do not believe that the dead body of Lazarus was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom, but I believe his soul was. I might not have thought about it being his soul, if the Savior had not told me that the soul survived the body. I do not believe that the dead body of the rich man lifted up its eyes in hell, being in torment; but I do believe that something that was called the rich man did, and I believe it was his soul, in all this agony, while his body was dead in the grave. The reason I believe it was his soul, is because the Savior has already taught me that the body might be dead, and the soul yet alive. Our Savior said to the thief on the cross, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." I do not believe his body went to paradise that day, but I believe it died, for the Scriptures say so. Men killed his body, who were not able to kill the soul. At the death of the body, the soul went to paradise. Paul says, "For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Philippians 1: 21. I do not understand what he would gain by dying, if there is to be no more of him until the resurrection."

So, we can add Potter to the list of those "Primitive Baptist" leaders who taught the traditional orthodox view on the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Also, we notice once again how Potter contends that a denial of the orthodox view came from Universalists and from some Two Seeders. Recall that in earlier chapters when we were examining what Two Seeder Elder Thomas P. Dudley said about man having a soul, that his beliefs were characterized as the "two souls" doctrine, one soul of the elect being that eternal child of God that was begotten in eternity and one soul coming from Adam. However, that is how others described Dudley's view. For himself he would always challenge his opponents by asking "what is the soul?" 

Potter continued:

"If you mention the "inner man" to him, to prove that man has a soul, or something internal, that is called "inner man," in the Bible, he will tell you that the "inner man" is Christ, and that the unrenewed sinner has no "inner man."

Recall what Two Seed apologists Gilbert Beebe and Thomas Dudley taught about the "inner man." They believed this was that eternal seed or seminal child that was begotten in Christ before the world began and comes down from heaven, enters the physical form of man (the "Adam man"), and dwells there for awhile and engages in battle with the "outer man" (the physical or fleshly man), and then at death the "inner man" or "new man" returns to heaven and the outer man goes back to dust ever to stay dust. For the above no-souler to say that the "inner man" is Christ is a kind of dodge for he believes that the eternal child is divine in origin, being the very emanation or mystical body of Christ from eternity.

Potter continued:

"If you quote the language of Jesus, "Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell," and tell him that this text is so plain a distinction of soul and body that he can not very well say that it is man's life, or that it is man himself, and as we know that it is not the body, he will say, "I do not know what that means." Yet he says he believes that man has a soul, distinct from the body, and he thinks hard if he is accused of not believing it. The truth is he does not believe it. He does not believe that man's body will die, and the soul still live, and he is afraid of any text, or construction of a text, that means that when the bodies of the saints die, that their souls leave the body, and go to heaven. They, some of them, make very strange at the thought, that when the body dies, any part of the man still lives. Whether it is the proper name for them or not, I call all such No Soulers," and I charge them with believing and preaching heresy. It is not warranted in the Bible, and it antagonizes the Primitive Baptist doctrine. Those who deny the doctrine of a distinction of soul and body have become so intolerant in some localities, that with them a man jeopardizes his standing, if he says soul and body. I heard one brother, with whom I am well acquainted, in referring to one of his brethren, who believed as I do, stigmatize him "Doctor of Divinity," with quite a sarcastic air. I think that was a bad spirit."

Heretical cults have certain spirits connected with them. So the apostle John indicated when he wrote:

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." (I John 4: 1-3 nkjv)

Here we see that false teaching on fundamental doctrine is connected with false spirits. The word "spirit" in the above text is the same in meaning as seen in these verses:

"And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?” But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” (Luke 9: 54-56 nkjv) 

James and John thinking that Christ would want the cities who did not receive him to be instantly destroyed were thinking wrongly and were acting out of a bad spirit. I have seen such spirits manifesting themselves in various cults with whom I have interacted. The "Church of Christ" (aka "Campbellites") have a spirit that is like Alexander Campbell, one of their leading founders. The "Primitive Baptists" (aka "Hardshells") likewise have a unique spirit, the very kind that characterized many in the anti-mission movement that spawned their sect. The Two Seeders likewise had a "familiar spirit." They could be intolerant, stubborn, cantankerous, schismatic, and have a "holier than you" or "more orthodox than you" attitude towards all other Christian churches. Recall that Elder John M. Watson in his book "The Old Baptist Test" bore witness to the spirit of Two Seeders, saying their ways were "serpentine." Potter in the above citation also reveals something of this evil spirit, speaking of the intolerant spirit of the Two Seeders and of their sarcastic air. The very label "Hardshell" expresses the fact that many Christians judged the "spirit" of the "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptists as being stubborn and recalcitrant. 

Potter wrote further under the same section:

"I now want my readers to know that the reason I am saying so much on this subject is that there are some who do not believe that man is changed in the new birth, but just a new principle is put into him, and the same old principle that was in him before regeneration, is still in him, and that makes the warfare, and that the whole man, soul, body and spirit, some of them say, is born of God in time, and that the same man, all of him, soul, body and spirit, will die, and remain dead until the resurrection. They make strange of the idea that any part of man goes to heaven at the death of the body. They believe that man is not changed until the resurrection."

The two extremes of the Two Seeders on the change that occurs to a person in being born again are expressed by two labels as we saw in previous chapters. One view came to be known as the "hollow log" doctrine and the other came to be known as the "whole man" doctrine. We also saw how the Two Seed idea of spiritual birth stated that something came down from heaven and was "planted" within a person but did not change the person but simply dwelt inside the person, like a parasite or virus. In fact, even among today's "Primitive Baptists" who claim not to be Two Seeders one can still hear them describe the new birth as denoting something being "implanted" within a person. Thus, Christ is implanted, faith is implanted, spiritual life is implanted, etc. Other Two Seeders spoke of the "whole man" being born of the Spirit or regenerated because they denied that man had a soul. In an upcoming chapter we will hear Hardshell leader elder C.H. Cayce comment on these two doctrines.

It is ironic however that today's "Primitive Baptists" carry a Two Seed view of regeneration or rebirth. They do not believe that being born again makes a person a believer in the one true God nor in Jesus Christ. That is why most of them teach that many heathen people who worship false gods have been regenerated and born again. It is also why they speak of regeneration being something done on the sub-conscious level, a person being born again but does not know it. 

In chapter five under the title"The Body Not Born Again in Time" Potter said:

"So, I will start out by saying that when a man is born of God, he is born of an incorruptible seed. "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." I Peter 1: 23. To carry out the rule, given by the Savior to Nicodemus, which is, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit," so, that which is born of corruptible seed is corruptible, and that which is born of incorruptible seed is incorruptible, we would necessarily have to admit that our bodies, after being born of incorruptible seed, are incorruptible, and I do not see any way for a man who believes the body is born of God in time, to escape the conclusion that the body is incorruptible. But the apostles recognize the body as corruptible, mortal, vile and natural, and they no where allude to the body as immortal, spiritual or incorruptible. On account of these facts I have always denied, and do yet deny, that the body is regenerated in time."

I do not understand how the Two Seeders could believe that the physical body was regenerated or born of the Spirit. Again, we see how this idea falls under the label "whole man" doctrine. It is true that when the spirit of a man is reborn, it becomes the place where Christ sits enthroned, in the place where the ego or self once ruled, and from then on that experiential fact will take control of the body, for the mind controls much of what the body does.

Potter wrote further:

"I presume no one will claim that in regeneration the body is cleansed and sanctified. Then it is not born again. But I have been often told by good people that the body must be born again, for the Savior said to Nicodemus, "Ye must be born again." They claim that he did not say a part of him, nor he did not say that his soul or spirit must be born again, but he, Nicodemus, must be born again. Let me ask, did he tell Nicodemus that his body must be born again? But "no soulers" claim that the body is born again, for it is the body that weeps and cries and feels badly and condemned. I doubt very seriously that the arrow of conviction ever touched the body, even if the body did cry and weep on account of sin, the pain and ache that caused those tears were not pains and aches of the body. But I have often been told that when the sinner is born again, the body turns its course, and begins to act differently from what it did formerly. They talk this way: "It was I that felt like I was a great sinner, and that God's holy law had been broken by me, the greatest sinner in the world. I mourned and grieved and prayed the Lord to forgive my sins. It was I, and not something in me that had sinned, and it was me that was made to hate sin, the very thing that I had loved before. I tried all the good things that I could do to drive the trouble away, and I finally concluded I must die and be lost, for there was no mercy for such a sinner as I was; and when Jesus revealed himself to me as my Savior, I felt like I was the beneficiary of his mercy, and it seemed that it was me all the time. While it was I that mourned, it was I that afterwards rejoiced, not something in me, but me. I do not wish to divide the man up, I do not want to dissect man. I believe I am the man, both soul and body, that is born of God, in the work of regeneration, in time."

Potter ought to have been a little more careful and precise when he said that no one claims that the body is cleansed or sanctified. That is because the bible does speak of the body being ceremonially cleaned and sanctified. Notice these texts:

"Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." (Heb. 10: 22 kjv)

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." (Rom. 12: 1 nkjv)

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (I Thess. 5: 23 nkjv)

Being made holy does not necessarily mean that the physical substance is changed. In the old testament there were holy utensils such as forks and bowls. These sanctified utensils did not experience a change in their physical makeup, but were simply "set apart" for divine service. So Paul wrote:

"I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Rom. 6: 19 nkjv)

By "members" he means the parts of the body, or human faculties. The Christian should make sure that his hands, feet, etc., are employed in doing the will of God. The whole body is to become a holy living sacrifice to the service of God.

Potter wrote further:

"But I have often been told that the body is certainly affected in the new birth. We are not talking about what is affected by the new birth, but what is born again. Jesus did not say to Nicodemus, "Ye must be affected." He did not say "Except a man be affected he can not see the kingdom of God." The man, then, must be born again, not affected. So, I see nothing to convince me that the body is born of God, in time. I claim that it will be born again in the resurrection. You will find my argument on that in another part of this little work."

Potter makes an important distinction between what is born again and what is affected by the spirit of a man being renewed.

In chapter six titled "The Soul Born Again" Potter wrote:

"It seems to me, from all that I have heard men say on the subject, that it is a hard matter for any of them, no matter what their views may be on the subject, to just simply admit that man has no soul. After an admission that man had a soul, and that it was distinct from the body, by one of those men who denied the separation of soul and body at death, I asked him where the soul went when the body died? He answered me that if I would tell him where the light went to when I blew out the lamp, he would tell me. He was not a Soul Sleeper. He did not believe in the existence of the soul separate from the body, neither did he believe that the soul existed in the body after the body died. He believed that all that pertained to man, or all that constituted man died."

Recall in earlier chapters where Elder T. P. Dudley, one of the foremost apologists for Two Seedism, likewise seemed to be a "no souler." In chapter fourteen I cited these words of Dudley:

"It is contended by some, yea, many professors of religion, that the soul is regenerated. We confess we know but little about the soul...If the soul were regenerated, would it not be as wholly devoted to God, subsequently, as it had been to sin, antecedently to the new birth? 

We also looked at how Dudley's Two Seed views led others to charge him with believing that man had "Two Souls." 

Potter wrote:

"I will first try to prove, then, that man has a soul, distinct from the body. "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10: 28. The soul in this text can not be said to mean simply the man, for if it is the man, then there is a man without a body, for we here have a soul without a body. Soul, in this text certainly does not mean the breath of life, for the very idea of killing a man's breath is a grand absurdity."

A man has to be very stubborn to resist such plain teachings about the distinction between body and soul. It is bewildering how anyone could deny that man has a soul distinct from the body.

In the next chapter we will continue to review what Potter wrote in "A Treatise on Regeneration and Christian Warfare."

Wednesday, March 25, 2026

Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LII)




Benjamin Keach (1640–1704) is the namesake of "Keach's Catechism" (also known as The Baptist Catechism), a 17th-century Particular Baptist catechism, though it was likely compiled by William Collins (d. 1702) following a 1693 General Assembly commission. Keach did write a separate, earlier catechism in the 1660s called Instructions for Children (or The Child's Instructor), for which he was pilloried. The catechism was officially authorized by the British Particular Baptists in 1693. "A very interesting "advertisement" was appended to the fifth edition of the Confession (1720)" said James M. Renihan (See here) which states: 
 
"This Confession of our Faith, together with the brief Instructions of the Principles of Christian Religion, or the Catechisms, both with the proofs in the margin, and also that with the words of the scriptures at length; with this Confession, put forth by the ministers, elders, and brethren of above one hundred congregations of Christians, baptized on profession of their faith in England and Wales, denying Arminiainism, owning the doctrine of personal election and final perseverance: having sold the property, right and title of the printing thereof, to John Marshall, bookseller, at the Bible in Gracechurch Street, by us, William Collins and Benjamin Keach, it is desired that all persons desirous to promote such useful books, do apply themselves to him".

If one reads this catechism he will see even more clearly what the signatories of the 1689 London Confession believed about salvation and will see that the footnotes that the "Primitive Baptist" ministers who attended the 1900 A.D. "Fulton Convention" attached to certain sections of the 1689 confession are indeed a gross perversion of what those 1689 English Baptists really believed. Keep in mind that the Philadelphia Confession of Faith (Baptist), ratified in 1742, was a copy of the 1689 with two additional articles added concerning the singing of psalms and the laying on of hands. 

In my article "From Keach's Catechism"* I wrote (See here):

"Benjamin Keach was a signer of the Second London Baptist Confession of 1689 and a leader of Particular Baptists in England and America. He was also a prolific writer and defender of the faith. He wrote "Keach's Catechism"* which was often attached to the London and Philadelphia Confessions, the confession that all the oldest Hardshell churches endorsed." 

*"Joseph Ivimey asserts "it is probable that the Baptist Catechism was complied by Mr. Collins, though it has by some means or other been called Keach's Catechism"."

I also wrote:

"The Hardshells who met in Fulton, Kentucky, in 1900, met to restate their continued acceptance and endorsement of the old London/Philadelphia confession. One wonders how they could do this since the confession clearly teaches that God saves his people through faith, through the preaching of the gospel."

I have numerous articles in "The Old Baptist Test" blog giving citations from the signers of the 1689 confession from their voluminous works which show what they believed and it is these beliefs that they wrote into the 1689 confession. I cite from men like John Spilsbury, William Kiffin, Hanserd Knollys, Hercules and William Collins, Benjamin Keach, and others. Surely many of the fifty one ministers at the Fulton convention knew this, and yet tried to convince their followers that they were Hardshell in beliefs. Now let me cite from Keach's catechism, which was attached to the old confession.

Q. 34. How does the Spirit apply to us the redemption purchased by Christ?

A. The Spirit applies to us the redemption purchased by Christ, by working faith in us, and thereby uniting us to Christ in our effectual calling.

(Eph. 2:8; 3:17)

Q. 35. What is effectual calling?

A. Effectual calling is the work of God's Spirit, whereby, convincing us of our sin and misery, enlightening our minds in the knowledge of Christ, and renewing our wills, He does persuade and enable us to embrace Jesus Christ, freely offered to us in the Gospel.

(2 Tim. 1:9; John 16:8-11; Acts 2:37; 26:18; Ezekiel 36:26; John 6:44,45; 1 Cor. 12:3)

Q. 92. What does God require of us, that we may escape His wrath and curse, due to us for sin?

A. To escape the wrath and curse of God due to us for sin, God requires of us faith in Jesus Christ, repentance unto life, with the diligent use of all the outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicates to us the benefits of redemption.

Q. 93. What is faith in Jesus Christ?

A. Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon Him alone for salvation, as He is offered to us in the Gospel.

(Heb. 10:39; John 1:12; Phil. 3-9; Gal. 2:15,16)

Q. 96. How is the Word made effectual to salvation?

A. The Spirit of God makes the reading, but especially the preaching of the Word an effectual means of convincing and converting sinners, and of building them up in holiness and comfort, through faith unto salvation.

(Ps. 119:11,18; 1 Thess. 1:6; 1 Peter 2:1,2; Rom. 1:16; Ps. 19:7)

Q. 97. How is the Word to be read and heard that it may become effectual to salvation?

A. That the Word may become effectual to salvation we must attend thereunto with diligence, preparation and prayer, receive it in faith and love, lay it up in our hearts and practice it in our lives.

(Prov. 8:34; 1 Peter 2:1,2; 1 Tim. 4:13; Heb. 2:1,3; Heb. 4:2; 2 Thess. 2:10; Ps. 119:11; James 1:21,25)

Thus, the Fulton "footnotes" are lies, perversions of the words of the Old Baptists, and are unworthy of those who call themselves "Primitive Baptists."

What the Baptists who wrote and signed their names to the 1689 confession believed is the same belief they wrote in the above catechism. The fifty one elders at the Fulton assembly were saying that the ministers and churches that authorized the 1689 confession believed as they on predestination and salvation and yet many of them surely knew that this was not true. This was a deceitful act and by this they have no credibility.

The Baptist catechism of the Charleston association, which was organized in 1751, and put forth in 1813, says the same things about salvation as did Keach's catechism. Notice these questions and answers:

Q. How may we know there is a God? 

A. The light of nature in man and the works of God plainly declare there is a God (Rom. 1:19,20; Ps. 19:1, 2, 3; Acts 17:24); but his word and Spirit only do it fully and effectually for the salvation of sinners (1 Cor. 2:10; 2 Tim. 3:15,16). 

Q. What is the word of God? 

A. The holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament are the word of God, and the only certain rule of faith and obedience (2 Tim. 3:16; Eph. 2:20). 

Q. May all men make use of the holy scriptures? 

A. All men are not only permitted, but commanded and exhorted to read, hear, and understand the holy scriptures (John 5:38; Rev. 17:18, 19; 1:3; Acts 8:30).

Q. How are we made partakers of the redemption purchased by Christ? 

A. We are made partakers of the redemption purchased by Christ, by the effectual application of it to us (John 1:11,12) by his Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5,6). 

Q. How doth the spirit apply to us the redemption purchased by Christ? 

A. The Spirit applieth to us the redemption purchased by Christ, by working faith in us (Eph. 1:13, 14; John 6:37, 39; Eph. 2:8), and thereby uniting us to Christ, in our effectual calling (Eph. 3:17; 1 Cor. 1:9). 

Q. What is effectual calling? 

A. Effectual calling is the work of God's Spirit (2 Tim. 1:9; 2 Thess. 2:13, 14), whereby convincing us of our sin and misery (Acts 2:37), enlightening our minds in the knowledge of Christ (Acts 2:18), and renewing our wills (Ez. 36:26, 27), he doth persuade and enable us to embrace Jesus Christ freely offered to us in the gospel (John 6:44, 45; Phil. 2:13). 

Q. What is faith in Jesus Christ? 

A. Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace (Heb. 10:39), whereby we receive and rest upon him alone for salvation, as he is offered to us in the gospel (Jn. 1:12; Is. 26:3, 4; Ph. 3:9; Gal. 2:16). 

Q. What are the outward means whereby Christ communicateth to us the benefits of redemption? 

A. The outward and ordinary means whereby Christ communicateth to us the benefits of redemption are his ordinances, especially the word, baptism, the Lord's supper, and prayer; all which means are made effectual to the elect for salvation (Mt. 28:19, 20; Acts 2:42, 46, 47). 

Q. How is the word made effectual to salvation? 

A. The Spirit of God maketh the reading, but especially the preaching of the word, an effectual means of convincing and converting sinners, and of building them up in holiness and comfort through faith unto salvation (Neh. 8:8; Acts 26:18; Ps. 19:8; Acts 20:32; Rom. 1: 15, 16, 10: 13, 14, 15, 16, 17; 15:4; 1 Cor. 14:24, 25; 1 Tim. 3:15, 16, 17; ). 

Q. How is the word to be read and heard, that it may become effectual to salvation

A. That the word may become effectual to salvation, we must attend thereunto with diligence (Pr. 8:34), preparation (1 Pet. 2:1, 2), and prayer (Ps. 119:18); receive it with faith and love (Heb. 4:2; 2 Thes. 2:10), lay it up in our hearts (Ps. 119:18), and practice it in our lives (Luke 8:15; James 1:25).

This is the true "primitive" or "original" Baptist belief. The so-called Primitive Baptists who assembled in Fulton, Kentucky in 1900 are not, though they claim to be. They cannot find Baptists before the 19th century who believed as they do. They are therefore a new sect of Baptists. Since "Primitive Baptists" are Landmarkers they believe that for any church to be a true and legitimate church it must be a descendant of other legitimate churches in a chain of churches going back to the first churches established by the apostles. Since they cannot show such a succession through the English or American Particular, Regular, or Separate Baptists, they have tried, since the failure of the Fulton convention to find it through the English Particular Baptists who authored the 1689 confession, to find another succession. 

This is what Hardshell Michael N. Ivey attempted to do in his work titled "A Welsh Succession Of Primitive Baptist Faith And Practice." However, he miserably failed in this effort as I showed back in 2011 when I wrote a series of articles proving this, and showing how the Welsh Baptists of the 17th and 18th centuries in Wales did not believe as do the Hardshells, and that Ivey did to the old confessions and writings of the Welsh Particular Baptists what the Fulton Hardshells did to the 1689 confession. You can see these articles in the Old Baptist Test blog for the year 2011. The first in that series can be read (here). 

Now, let us look at the APPENDIX TO FULTON CONVENTION, which gives what a prior convention of "Primitive Baptist" ministers put forth just two months prior to the convention in Fulton. This appendix was attached to the Fulton convention's publishing of their remarks on the 1689 London confession. That appendix says (emphasis mine):

"We, the undersigned elders and brethren, pursuant to a request made by brethren of Patoka Association of Primitive Baptists, now convened at Oakland City Church, in Oakland City, Indiana, on the 27th day of September, 1900."

One wonders why the "Primitive Baptists" at the start of the twentieth century felt the need to come together and state their beliefs in relation to the 1689 confession and to what their forefathers believed. In the introduction to the Fulton confession the fifty one ministers speak of how the "Primitive Baptist Church" (which they call "Zion") is torn apart by numerous factions. By their convention they hoped to unite all these factions, but they did not succeed, for it is in the nature of the Hardshells to be schismatic.

In the appendix, the elders who first assembled in Indiana wrote (emphasis mine):

"We believe the Scriptures teach that there is a time salvation received by the heirs of God distinct from eternal salvation, which does depend upon their obedience. The people of God receive their rewards for obedience in this life only. We believe that the ability of the Christian is the unconditional gift of God."

There is no mention of this so-called "time salvation" in the 1689 confession nor in any other Baptist confession prior to its invention by the Hardshells. You do not see it in any of their church articles of faith in the early 19th century either. When the "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptists began to deny that God uses his written word and the message of the Gospel in the eternal salvation of sinners they were forced to explain how this denial could be true seeing there are so many texts in the Bible that clearly show otherwise. So, what they did was to invent this idea of a "time salvation," which said that it was a salvation that was conditioned upon faith, repentance, evangelical conversion, and perseverance in the faith, but that it was not necessary for eternal salvation. In one of my many articles on this novelty in bible interpretation (See here) I cited from two elders who stated what they mean by "time salvation." 

"When salvation refers to what God does for man without action on his part, and by the meritorious work of Christ, they know and realize that it refers to salvation in its highest order; preparing one to live with God in glory after death. When salvation is mentioned in connection with the acts of men; or man is to perform some action to bring about a better situation for himself, they know it is to be to the child of God (one freed from the guilt of sin), and refers to a timely deliverance, or something that is for man's benefit while he lives here in the world."

This new innovation in bible doctrine was invented in order to uphold their man-made thesis, one first given by the Two Seeders, which said "nothing a person does in life determines whether he goes to heaven or hell" and the one which said that "the gospel is only for the temporal benefit of those who are already children of God from eternity." 
 
Next the Indiana gathering wrote:

"Section 5, Chapter III.: “God hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of His mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as condition or cause moving Him thereto.” Although the two-seed doctrine was not thought of at the time this Confession was written, yet this article clearly condemns the two-seed doctrine in all its phases."

By "this confession" they mean the 1689 London Confession. Notice that they mention one of the tenets of Two Seedism dealing with the Calvinist doctrine of "unconditional election," which we in previous chapters (beginning with chapter 27) had much to say, especially when reviewing what Elder Grigg Thompson wrote about it in his 1860 work "The Measuring Rod." We have already seen where the Fulton convention of elders likewise mentioned Two Seed views in their footnotes to their version of the 1689 London confession. 

I find it interesting that these brethren who assembled in Oakland City, Indiana stated that "the two-seed doctrine was not thought of at the time" that the 1689 "confession was written" because the same thing could be said about their novel doctrine of "time salvation"! It is stunning that these brethren apparently failed to see this gross incongruity. 

Next the Indiana convocation said:

"...so we oppose the two-seed doctrine because it seeks to find some quality in man that stands as the cause of his election to glory, while Paul speaks of God’s people, “were by nature the children of wrath, even as others”.

The assembled elders in Oakland City and in Fulton may have opposed certain Two Seed tenets, such as the doctrine of eternal children, yet they still held to other Two Seed tenets, such as we have just named. Also, by their divorcing conversion from regeneration, and by their saying that nothing a person does determines whether he goes to heaven, they too believe in a "no change" view of regeneration. Those who followed the Fulton Convention's dictates would continue to move towards the "hollow log" view by affirming that becoming a regenerated or born again person does not make him that person a believer in the true God, nor in Jesus Christ, not in the Gospel, and does not guarantee that the one regenerated will persevere. 

Some who read this series on Two Seedism might wonder why we have written a few chapters on the Fulton Convention. It is because of several reasons. First, because in both the Oakland City and Fulton assemblies there is mention of Two Seed views. Second, because the footnotes attached to the 1689 confession show them advocating several of the leading tenets of Two Seedism. 

In the next chapter we will return to reviewing some additional things that Elder Potter wrote in his rebuttal of Two Seedism. Following that we will have a chapter on what Elder George Stipp wrote against Two Seedism. Following that we will observe what Elder C.H. Cayce and others have said on the subject. We will then have some closing thoughts on what we have previously written and bring to a close, for the time being, our writings on the history and heresies of Two Seedism.

 

Monday, March 23, 2026

Two Seed Baptist Ideology (LI)

The Fulton Convention
of
Primitive Baptists
1900 A.D.
Authors of the Fulton Confession


In this chapter we will continue to look at what the Fulton Convention of "Primitive Baptists" said about the 1689 London Baptist confession. We will begin by again citing from Bob L. Ross, from chapter four of his book "History and Heresies of Hardshellism." Brother Ross was a close friend of mine and I loaned him my Hardshell books before he wrote the above booklet. He paid for me to fly to Pasadena, Texas in 1993 to do a series of Videos on the Hardshells, which were done through Larry Wessels and they are available on YouTube. Brother Ross wrote the following (you can read his work here)

"Elder S. T. Tolley, a Primitive Baptist leading minister of Atwood, Tennessee has long been the Editor and Publisher of The Christian Baptist magazine, a periodical which obviously speaks the views of many Primitive Baptist churches and preachers. A few years ago, I had a cordial visit with Bro. Tolley at his address and briefly toured the "Christian Baptist Library" which houses quite a collection of books, minutes, and other historical materials. I was a subscriber to this magazine, and have a collection of Elder Tolley's publication going back many years."

I was also a close friend of Elder Tolley as was my father (who was a "Primitive Baptist" minister for over fifty years). I spent time visiting in his home more than once, in Atwood, Tennessee. Elder Tolley was a good and honest man, unlike the fifty one elders who attempted to pervert the 1689 London Confession of Faith in Fulton, Kentucky. My father was one of the leading ministers on the editorial staff of the "Christian Baptist." I also wrote articles for it.

Ross wrote further (emphasis mine):

"In one of them -- the June 1971 issue -- Elder Tolley headlines a front-page article entitled A Re-Statement of Our Faith Needed. One of the primary targets of the article is the London Confession of 1689. Here are a few excerpts from Bro. Tolley's remarks:

Although the "London Confession" does set forth much of what we believe -- it does not clearly set forth our full and proper views on several points of doctrine.

Although we do accept most of the London Confession of Faith, we certainly do NOT agree with ALL of it! And we would not agree with the wording on some of the points even though we would agree with the sentiments.

To show that the "London Confession" does not set forth the beliefs of Primitive Baptists in full I will here give some excerpts from it: [then follows quotes from chapters 2, 10, 14, and 15].

This quote [from chapter seven of the Confession] has overtones of "Arminianism" in it . . . If a Primitive Baptist preacher should set forth such a statement from his pulpit you would clearly see the clamor that it would justly provoke.

They [signatories of the London Confession] believed that the "elect" are ordinarily called to regeneration and salvation by the medium of the preached word. Primitive Baptists do NOT believe this. This [chapter 10] is NOT the concept that Primitive Baptists hold relative to "Effectual Calling."

Does this [chapter 14] sound like Primitive Baptists sentiment? It is not. We believe that there will be millions of the "elect" saved in heaven who have never, nor will they ever, hear the gospel of the Son of God. [Tolley's comment on chapter 15, paragraph 5 of the Confession].

There are several similar expressions in the "London Confession" that we do not agree with, and some statements that need to be more fully explained in order to show just what is intended."

I find it quite interesting how Elder Tolley can call certain articles of the 1689 confession "Arminianism" and yet find other Hardshell elders, such as we cited in the previous chapter, who call the confession a "Calvinist" "Missionary Baptist" document. Yet, the introduction to the 1689 Confession finds the authors saying that in publishing their confession that they were "denying Arminianism." 

Ross wrote further:

"In Elder Tolley's "Library News," in this same issue, he says:

I have for several years talked with many ministers and other interested individuals about this ["a statement (confession) of faith of the Primitive Baptists of our times"] and there has been much interest in this long needed work.

If any of our readers will read the "London Confession of Faith" (this is the confession of faith that Primitive Baptists are said to believe) you will clearly see the need for re-stating our beliefs -- as we hold today."

In Elder Tolley's January 1983 issue of The Christian Baptist, he is still "grinding an ax" about the London Confession. He refers to chapters 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14, and 15, and says:

It would be hard to understand how any man could fully endorse all that is stated therein and remain in good standing and full fellowship with Primitive Baptists. No one could be well informed on the doctrine and beliefs of the Strict Baptists of England and not understand that they were and are, today, different from Primitive Baptists of America on several important points.

The men who drew up the London Confession of Faith held what we call "absolute" tendencies, and, although they believed in predestination and election, they also believed that the gospel was ordinarily God's ordained means to call the elect to regeneration . . . We have published several articles in THE CHRISTIAN BAPTIST pointing out these discrepancies."

Tolley, like others, was being honest in his interpretation of the 1689 confession. However, in being honest he indicts the fifty one ministers who dishonestly attempted to distort the confession by their footnotes. 

Ross wrote further:

"In the August 31, 1957 issue of The Baptist Examiner, I wrote a short editorial comment concerning the purpose of the Gospel as viewed by Arminians, Calvinists, and Hardshells. W. J. Berry, then Editor of the Old Faith Contender magazine in Elon College, North Carolina, quoted from the editorial and proposed the question to his readers, "Is this the 'Hardshell' Position?" He gave several issues of his magazine to letters from readers who wished to comment on the question, then he followed-up with his own commentary on the matter. Here is what he wrote:

Now we knew that except for minor variations this editor [Bob L. Ross] has described too accurately the position of present-day Primitive Baptists. We also knew that what he gave as the Arminian position was that generally held by Baptists just prior to 1633 (Hassell's History, p. 335, 336), and that what he gave as the Calvinistic doctrine was held by Presbyterians before Baptists espoused it, and was the position formerly held by all doctrinally sound Baptists in America prior to 1800. [As quoted in the Oct. 4, 1958 BAPTIST EXAMINER, p. 2].

In the same article, Elder Berry alleged that Primitive Baptists of this day have "almost completely abandoned" the position of early American Baptists "in actual practice."

So here is a second well-known minister who, in effect, alleged that modern Primitive Baptists are not really "Primitive," so far as having a doctrinal identity with early American Baptists, or the 17th century English Particular Baptists. The Confessions of Faith are the most conclusive "standards" whereby to determine such an issue, and by their own ADMISSION the modern Primitives do not consider the Confessions to be representative of Primitive Baptist doctrine."

It is true that Hardshell historian Sylvester Hassell acknowledges that the forefathers of the Kehukee Association of Primitive Baptist churches were Arminian. The Kehukee churches became Calvinists, and perhaps truly saved, when the Philadelphia Baptist Association sent a missionary to eastern North Carolina, a preacher named John Gano. After his visit in 1754 he reported the "melancholy condition" of North Carolina churches. In 1755, the Philadelphia Association sent ministers, specifically including Benjamin Miller and Peter P. Vanhorn, to North Carolina to reform "General Baptist" churches into "Regular Baptist" (Calvinist) churches. These efforts influenced the establishment of the Kehukee Association (organized 1765/1769), which adopted the strict Calvinist Philadelphia Confession.

I have numerous articles in the "Old Baptist Test" blog under the heading "What The First Hardshells Believed" which show that the general view of the first Anti-Mission Baptists believed in means just as the 1689 confession says, and I have other articles that show that the "no means" view was what Elder Watson called an "innovation." I have given evidence that shows that the "no means" view, and the view that evangelical faith and repentance were not essentials for eternal salvation, originated with the Two Seeders who came after Daniel Parker. This post (here) will give the reader links to those posts. On the question of means both Arminian and Calvinists nigh unanimously agree that God uses the preaching of the Gospel in the salvation of sinners. The Two Seed view is truly aberrant. 

Ross wrote the following under the sub-heading "Hatchet-Job" Done to the London Confession by Hardshell Book":

"Several years ago, a well-known Hardshell preacher, Elder Lee Hanks, compiled a number of historical items and published them under the title, The Church of God. I have the reprinted edition of 1982, published by Elder S. T. Tolley's Christian Baptist Publishing Company, and I have also examined an original edition. The book mutilates the London Confession, not only omitting significant words (indicated by a series of dots), but it even cuts-out entire chapters! It omits chapters 5, 14, 15, and 17 thru 25. It is significant that the material which is omitted includes the same points of doctrine which Hardshells such as Tolley admittedly do not believe, particularly those that express the Baptist position on the use of the Word, or Gospel, in regeneration. At this writing, I have twice written to Elder Tolley and asked him who was responsible for this "hatchet-job" on the London Confession of Faith, but he has not responded. I assume Hanks is responsible until other evidence is presented."

In my historical studies of the "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptists I have learned a good bit about Elder Lee Hanks. I am the one who loaned Brother Ross my copy of the "history" book authored by Hanks wherein he, on one hand, seems to claim affinity with the 1689 confession, but then on the other hand, eliminated large sections of it that he didn't agree with, by the use of the ellipsis (using the "..."). In my writings I have shown where this has been a common practice by the Hardshells. They will often cite from the works of others and use the ellipsis to excise those parts that they don't like, and by cutting out those sections they often totally pervert what the writers they are citing really meant. I wrote about this practice in these posts (here and here). In the latter post I cite where Brother Ross said the same thing, writing:

"...we have learned to watch the Hybrids* carefully when they start "quoting" someone whom they would like to array in their camp on "born again before faith." For some reason, they might fail to give the complete picture." 

*By "Hybrids" he includes the "Primitive Baptists." 

It is interesting that Hanks was one of the ministers who was at the Fulton convention and endorsed the 1689 confession and admitted that this was the confession that his forefathers accepted as a statement of their beliefs.

Ross wrote further:

"This is simply further evidence that the Hardshells of today are not the "original" Baptists, but in reality they have departed from the Baptist faith and constitute a cult formed around their opposition to the preaching of the Gospel to the unregenerate as a "means" used by the Holy Spirit in bringing about to the New Birth. Some may question my use of the term "cult," but when one becomes acquainted with the exclusivism of the Hardshells and their claims, it is obvious that "cult" is the most appropriate term."

This is also what I have shown in my own historical work "The Hardshell Baptist Cult" (you can read all the chapters in that massive work in its own blog here). 

Now let us notice some citations from the "Fulton Confession" and show the articles of the 1689 confession that they felt the need to rewrite in their footnotes.

CHAPTER I. OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

1. "The Holy Scriptures are the only sufficient, certain and infallible (a) rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience; although the (b) light of nature and the works of creation, and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom and power of God as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation."

7. All things in Scripture are not alike (l) plain in themselves, not alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation are so (m) clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned but the unlearned, in due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them. (2)

Now, here is the footnote the Fulton Sanhedrin attached to this 1689 article:

"(1) We do not understand this section to teach that eternal life is obtained by the understanding of or obedience to the scriptures."

They are being deceitful in this statement for the articles above show that the 1689 confession taught that the scriptures were a means in saving sinners and giving eternal life. Many "Primitive Baptists" as we have seen agree that these fifty one elders were purposely denying what the confession says. The 1689 articles say that there is a certain "knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation" and that this knowledge can only be obtained through the scriptures.

CHAPTER II. OF GOD AND THE HOLY TRINITY
Of God and the Holy Trinity Chapter 2

Paragraph 3

"In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit,27 of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided:28 the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father;29 the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son;30 all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on Him."

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(2) We understand the words of “one substance” contradict the idea that God’s people existed eternally in seed or substance in Christ, for this would establish a distinction in substance between the Father and the Son."

This is not the only footnote that mentions a Two Seed tenet. So, in the year 1900 the "Primitive Baptists" of the faction represented in Fulton felt a need to distance themselves from Two Seedism. By this footnote we surmise that there must have been some Two Seed Primitive Baptists who tried to argue that the words "one substance" in the old confession included the Lord's seed or children. 

CHAPTER III. OF GOD’S DECREE

"6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so He hath by the eternal and most free purpose of His will foreordained (m) all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, (n) are redeemed by Christ, are effectually (o) called unto faith in Christ, by His Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by His power through faith (p) unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified and saved, but the elect (q) only. (3)

Now here is the footnote of the Fulton ministers:

"(3) We do not understand the words “all the means thereunto” include other means than those especially set out in this section: “Redeemed in Christ”, “effectually called”, “by His Spirit”, etc."

Of course, when they say "we do not understand" they simply mean "we do not believe," and involve these ministers saying that this is what the writers of the 1689 confession meant. One of the scriptures given by the 1689 confession to support what they mean by "all the means" is this text:

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truthWhereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ." (II Thess. 2: 13-14 kjv)

So, the authors of the 1689 confession clearly believed that the effectual call was "by our gospel" and the salvation to which the elect were chosen was effected by a "sanctification of the Spirit AND belief of the truth." The means are not limited to the things the Fulton footnotes mention. The article clearly says that "faith" is a means, and they agree with the apostle Paul that "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Rom. 10: 17)

CHAPTER VII. OF GOD’S COVENANT

"2. Moreover, man having brought (b) himself under the curse of the law by his fall, it pleased the Lord to make a Covenant of Grace, wherein He freely offereth unto sinners (c) life and salvation by Jesus Christrequiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved; and (d) promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life His Holy Spirit, to make them willing and able to believe. (1)"

Now, here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) By the words “offereth unto sinners life and salvation”, etc., we do not understand that the gift of eternal life is offered to alien sinners, but should be understood as meaning the assurance or enjoyment of spiritual or divine life, as is taught in John 20:30-31; Galatians 6:7-8. The following places in the Confession describe the alien sinners as being unable to accept an offer of life: Chapter XX., Section 4; Chapter IX., Section 3; Chapter III., Section 6; and for further explanation of the doctrine herein set forth and from which said doctrine is deducible, see Chapter XVII., Section 3; Chapter XVIII., Sections 3 and 4; Chapter X., Section 4; Chapter XX., Sections 1 and 4; and 2 Peter 1:10-11."

Again, we have the words "by the words...we understand or do not understand." But, all see, if they are honest, that the words of the confession do mean that God offers eternal life to alien sinners and does not mean offering "the assurance or enjoyment of spiritual or divine life." Further, it is true that the confession does say that alien sinners are unable to accept the offer, but this does not negate the fact that it is offered, for the authors of this confession believed that the power to believe and receive was of God and not of the sinner. When Jesus said to the man with the paralyzed hand "stretch forth your hand" it did imply that the man had in himself the power to obey, the power to obey came from the Lord. 

Elder John Clark, a founding father of the "Primitive Baptist" sect, and editor of Zion's Advocate (1854), believed in means as did many other first generation leaders in the anti-mission movement, and I have many citations from him that show this to be true. In one of my posts I give the following citation which answers the objections raised by the above Fulton footnote:

"But some object and say, Why preach repentance to dead sinners? They can neither hear, see nor understand. That is true; that they hear not, see not, understand not, so far as the preacher is concerned or is able to effect them; but why did the prophet call upon the dry bones to hear the word of the Lord? He answered, “And I prophesied as I was commanded.” That was authority then for all who feared God, and it is still the authority for all such. This objection, however, will lie against all the exhortations and admonitions to the saints as it does against addresses to the ungodly, for the Christian has no more power than the unbeliever. The difference between them is not in the power, but in the will; as it written: "To will is present with me, but to perform that which is good I find not.”"

The theory that we must preach to men according to the power they possess to obey is sublimated Arminianism, and yet; the advocates of it are very fraid of being called Arminians. Christians know, however, by the word of his grace, and by the revelation of that word in their hearts, when it comes in power and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance, that Christ’s word is true which says, “Without me you can do nothing.” The Spirit takes the word of Christ and shows it to his people, and thus it is verified in the experience.

To preach to men upon the ground that they have power to do what is commanded, or to refuse to preach to them because they have not the power, shows that the confidence is in the flesh and not in God; that they depend upon the will of the flesh and not upon the power God, and that is the very essence, double refined, of Arminianism.


The minister of Christ does not preach to any class of men upon the consideration of their ability or inability. He has the sentence of death in himself, and therefore cannot trust in himself; and he has no confidence in the flesh of any other, but his confidence, his faith and hope, is in God, from whence alone are his expectations."

("What To Preach and How To Preach" Written by John Clark in Zion's Advocate--August 1875)

You can read other citations from Clark (hereherehereherehere)

Keep in mind that the Hardshell convention of ministers was attempting to uphold the Two Seed ideas that said "nothing a person does in his life determines whether he will be saved" and said "the gospel or written word of God is only for the temporal benefit of those already saved." We cited elders John M. Watson and Hosea Preslar in earlier chapters who stated this very thing. We also cited from the 1879 minutes of the Powell Valley Association which affirmed this fact.

CHAPTER IX. OF FREE WILL

"4. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, (g) He freeth him from his natural bondage under sin, and by His grace alone enables him (h) freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; yet so as that, by reason of his (i) remaining corruptions, he doth not perfectly nor only will that which is good, but doth also will that which is evil. (2)"

Now, here is one of the footnotes to this article:

"(2) We understand the expression “when God converts” to mean when God regenerates."

Yes, the Hardshells may "understand" that conversion is not regeneration, but this is not what the authors of the old confession believed. In fact, I have cited many of the old articles of faith of many "Primitive" or "Old School" Baptist churches that say "we believe all the elect will be regenerated AND converted," which shows that they believed that all the elect would be converted to faith in Christ and not regenerated only. In fact, nearly all the old Puritans, and the old Baptists who authored the 1689 confession, saw evangelical conversion as being regeneration. I have numerous proofs of this in my Old Baptist Test blog. I have numerous articles in the Old Baptist Test blog which shows this is the case. For instance, I cite these words from the learned W.G.T. Shedd  (as cited by me here):

W. G. T. Shedd, in his "Dogmatic Theology," Volume 2, pages 492-494, confessed much the same, saying:

"The divines of the seventeenth century very generally do not distinguish between regeneration and conversion, but employ the two as synonyms. Owen does this continually: On the Spirit, III. v. And Charnock likewise: Attributes, Practical Atheism. The Westminster [Confession] does not use the term regeneration. In stead of it, it employs the term vocation, or effectual calling. This comprises the entire work of the Holy Spirit in the application of redemption."

CHAPTER X. OF EFFECTUAL CALLING

"1. Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, He is pleased in His appointed and accepted time (a) effectually to call by His Word and Spirit out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation (b) by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to (c) understand the things of God; taking away their (d) heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by His almighty power determining them (e) to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come (f) most freely, being made most willing by His grace. (1)"

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) We do not understand that sinners are effectually called by the written word in any sense out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature to grace and salvation but by Christ, the Word of God. The quickening and renewing of the Holy Spirit prepares the sinner to answer the gospel call, as seen in Section 2; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 4:6."

What these Fulton brothers refused to understand about this article of the old confession is what is clearly affirmed by it. By "word" in the above article is not Jesus, and many later "Primitive Baptists" have agreed that this is not what the authors of the confession meant. Not only this, but the Hardshells often do the same with scripture. When they find texts which say that God uses means in the eternal salvation of sinners, they will say "we do not understand this to mean" what it plainly says and so will distort it or explain it away by any means.

"2. This effectual call is of God’s free and special grace alone, (g) not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature co-working with His special grace; (h) the creature being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until, being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit, he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less (i) power than that which raised up Christ from the dead. 

3. Elect infants dying in infancy are (j) regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit, who worketh when and where and (k) how He pleaseth; so also are all other elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the word. (2) 

4. Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the word, (l) and may have some common operations of the Spirit; yet, not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly (m) come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved; much less can men that receive not the Christian religion (n) be saved, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess. (3)"

Now here are the Fulton footnotes:

"(2) We understand this section to teach that all persons dying in infancy are of the elect, and will therefore be saved. We do not understand from this that infants and insane persons are saved in a manner different from the manner in which all other elect persons are saved. The word “others” in Section 4 has no reference to infants, but adults who are subjects of the ministry of the Word. 

(3) We understand for man to spiritually profited by the gospel he must have been born of God and made partaker of His divine nature, and by the words “common operations of the Spirit” is understood as teaching that the gospel has an enlightening and moral influence upon all rational men."

Again, what a dishonest and gross misinterpretation of what these articles say! The articles clearly say that anyone who does not receive the Christian religion is not saved. However, that is not what today's "Primitive Baptists" generally believe.

CHAPTER XI. OF JUSTIFICATION

"1. Those whom God effectually calleth He also freely (a) justifieth, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by (b) pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as (c) righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other (d) evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness, but by imputing Christ’s active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in His death, for their whole and sole righteousness; they (e) receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith, which they have not of themselves; it is the gift of God. (1) 

2. Faith, thus receiving and resting of Christ and His righteousness, is the (f) alone instrument of justification; yet it is not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, (g) but worketh by love."

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) We understand this section to teach that the elect are justified in the sight of the law by the actual work of Christ when He satisfied the law for them, and we believe this is applied to the elect in the work of regeneration, bringing personal righteousness or making their persons righteous in heart. (2) These sections have relation to God’s spiritual and parental government over His children in this world."

Notice how the Fulton Two Seeders omitted any reference to "faith" and its being "the alone instrument of justification" and the way sinners receive Christ and his righteousness. Why is this? Is it not because they believe that faith in Christ is not essential for being saved? How anyone can read the old confession and conclude that they taught that unbelievers may be saved and regenerated is bewildering. 

CHAPTER XIV. OF SAVING FAITH

"1. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, the work of the Spirit of CHRIST (a) in their hearts, and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the (b) word; by which also, and by the administration of baptism and the Lord’s Supper, prayer, and other means appointed of God, it is increased (c) and strengthened. (1)"

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) By the words “faith as ordinarily wrought by the Word” we are taught to distinguish between life and the motions or fruits of life, because faith as one of the acts of life may be instrumentally produced by the Word. (Romans 10:17.) While life itself is the immediate gift of the Almighty, (Romans 6:23), and is antecedent to and the foundation of faith."

This footnote is diametrically opposed to what the article clearly says and it shows just how dishonest and deceitful were these stalwarts of Hardshellism and Two Seedism.

CHAPTER XX. OF THE GOSPEL, AND OF THE EXTENT OF THE GRACE THEREOF

"1. The covenant of works being broken by sin, and made unprofitable unto life, God was pleased to give forth the promise of Christ, (a) the Seed of the woman, as the means of calling the elect, and begetting in them faith and repentance; in this promise the (b) gospel, as to the substance of it, was revealed, and was therein effectual for the conversion and salvation of sinners.

2. This promise of Christ, and salvation by Him, is revealed only by (c) the word of God; neither do the works of creation or providence, with the light of nature, (d) make discovery of Christ, or of the grace by Him, so much as in a general or obscure way; much less that men destitute of the revelation of Him by the promise or gospel, (e) should be enabled thereby to attain saving faith or repentance. (1)

4. Although the gospel be the only outward means of revealing Christ and saving grace, and is, as such, abundantly sufficient thereunto; yet that men who are dead in trespasses may be born again, quickened or regenerated, there is moreover necessary an effectual, insuperable (h) work of the Holy Spirit upon the whole soul, for the producing in them a new spiritual life, without which no other means will effect (i) their conversion unto God."

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) We are taught by this section that nature does not reveal the scheme of human redemption to man. Nevertheless this fact does not render the work of Christ and the Spirit impossible in the regeneration and eternal salvation of sinners, even in the absence of the preached Word."

Here the Fulton footnote says that the articles of the old confession teach that people who have not the word of God or know not Christ nor the Gospel may be saved and yet this is clearly not what the articles teach. Who were these fifty one elders think they were fooling by these footnotes? The only ones would be the Hardshell lay members who would simply take what these elders said without checking them out.

CHAPTER XXXI. OF THE STATE OF MAN AFTER DEATH, AND OF THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

"1. The bodies of men after death return to the dust (a) and see corruption; but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately (b) return to God who gave them; the souls of the righteous, being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and (c) glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell, where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to (d) the judgment of the great day; besides these two places for souls separated from their bodies the Scripture acknowledgeth none. (1)"

Now here is the Fulton footnote:

"(1) By the words “immortal subsistence” is not meant that the souls of men are eternal as God is eternal, but that they are eternal in the sense that they possess endless being or shall never cease to exist or die."

Here again we see an allusion to the Two Seed view that the souls of the elect are without beginning, being "eternal children," having been begotten in the Son of God from eternity. What is ironic is that though the Fulton brethren tried to distance themselves from some of the tenets of Two Seedism, yet they still retained some of those tenets.

In the next chapter we will continue this line of thought.